Does God exist in terms of physics?
I've been thinking about the existence of God lately. Although I am an atheist, this question is very exciting for me. However, none of the modern religions fit the opinion that was satisfying to me. What if God is just all the energy in the universe? It's like it's always been there, too, and it's never gone away. Its transformations gave rise to atoms, planets, and beings. Either God is some non-material form of life that exists as a stream of information. If we observe trends in evolution, it is noticeable that organisms move from individual organisms to colonies:Bacteria are united in biofilms, single-celled eukaryotes in colonies, monkeys in colonies, primates, lions, wolves, ants, hyenas, and humans in packs with a complex hierarchy. Combining, each individual at first glance seems stupid, degraded, etc. Working together, they become a single brain and body. Now people are creating technologies that will allow us to live without limbs and organs, they will be replaced by machines. The concept of gender and parent will no longer exist. All that's left of us is our brains. However, our brains will soon turn into a collective mind. What if God is an ancient organism that has lost its shell and has become only a collective mind, capable of creating another life?
Your question uses two ill-defined concepts at once – ” god “and”exists”. The variety of definitions for them is such that it is possible to choose them both for God to definitely exist, and for God to definitely not exist. Moreover, the choice of definition does not always depend on who makes it. Dionysius the Areopagite wrote:
That is, not only physicists, but Christians themselves do not believe that God physically exists. It is not defined by the doctrine. Therefore, if you are asking about the Christian God and the physical existence, the correct answer is “of course not, from the point of view of physics, this god does not exist.” And everything that is fixed or will ever be fixed by physics is not God, as defined above.
Of course, you can, as you do, define “God”differently. For example, like the laws of physics. The laws of physics definitely exist. But personally, I would be wary of saying that they exist physically. And most importantly, why use another term for the laws of physics? Similarly, the “universe”. Pantheism equates the universe with God, but in reality we just get another word for the universe.
But for the Romans, Caesar was god, and there is no doubt about it – Caesar existed physically (but no longer exists).
So the existence of God is a matter of your personal need, not a physical fact. Depending on whether you need God and what is suitable for this role, the answer to your question will change.
This question: on the one hand – purely personal, on the other: you, Ekaterina, put this question mildly… you spit on both physicists and believers.
A joke, of course. Or rather: “you either take off the cross or put on your underwear.”
(Once a Jew decided to come to the common bathhouse, and so that no one would understand that he was a Jew, he put a cross around his neck. He came, steamed with everyone, of course naked, everyone stared at him-then at the cross, then at the cropped part in the image. Then one of them breaks down and says: – Lev Peisakhovich, you either take off your cross or put on your underwear…
Anecdote taken from the site anekdotov.me)
Finally, you have indicated in your personal account that you are a biologist. And it is known from statistics that it is biologists (from 70 to 80%) who do not believe in God or the “Reasonable Cause” of our World.
Physicists in this sense are inferior to biologists by almost 10%. That is, the number of physicists who do not believe in God is from 60 to 70%.
This is something for you to think about.
As for the question itself, as a physicist who is one of the above-mentioned majority, I can say that physicists are not interested in God or any other “Mind of the World” in principle. It is not even needed as a fifth wheel for a cart, the idea of God is simply completely ignored.
And what you mentioned about cells “and further down the list” is just interesting from the point of view of self-regulating autonomous complex systems with feedback as the basis of their activities. And no God or reason, except our reason for their knowledge, is fundamentally not needed here.
Of course, finding all the explanations about everything is quite difficult, but this does not mean that you need to succumb to temptation… easy answer.
If by physics we mean the science of physics, then no. But there are some people-physicists who, for various reasons, but not scientific, believe that it exists.
The expression itself “God exists” is scientifically meaningless.
First, “x exists” is an incomplete statement (Carnap). An elementary statement is: “There exists x with the property A“. This means that “existence” is not a predicate, as Kant already said. One can only assert the existence of something with respect to potentially observable properties.
Secondly, the word “God” has no reference, but, if we take a three-part semantics, it has as many meanings as there are people on earth.
As a result, the expression “God exists ” does not say anything about anything, but only raises a storm of emotions in each individual head.
In short,”God exists“: 1,) in the psyche of each individual, and is studied by psychologists and psychiatrists; 2) as a cultural and social reality, and is studied by historians, anthropologists, etc. There is no God as an object of research for physics.
I suggest you look at the possibility of the existence of God, as did the famous theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking, who was himself an atheist. However, to give him his due, he was quite honest about the possibility of God creating the world. In his book ” A Brief History of Time. From the Big Bang to black holes” Stephen Hawking writes that the Big Bang theory, being the most popular theory among scientists, assumes the probability of the existence of a Creator:
Well, the Big Bang theory just suggests that the universe has a beginning. According to this theory, before the Big Bang, there was a singularity, i.e. the absence of time and space, a state in which no laws of physics apply. Stephen Hawking puts it this way:
However, this conclusion does not satisfy Stephen Hawking and he offers a different theory of the origin of the Universe, which should exclude the presence of singularities and, accordingly, God. However, at the moment, according to the scientist, this theory faces certain difficulties and he hopes that in the future these difficulties will be overcome by science.
When you think about God, you are in a dangerous situation. B you are on the edge of a cliff. Step back. Stop thinking about it. Talk to people with strong atheistic beliefs.
If you give up the slack, then you will be dragged into a quagmire of fruitless and costly experiences, thoughts and body movements. You will lose your independence and independence of judgment. You can't get out again.
Physics, in general, deals with the structure of our universe, or as Christians say, the created world. That is all. The question of the presence/absence of God/Higher cosmic forces/Universal intelligence, etc., is beyond the applicability of this science. So, from the point of view of physics, the question simply does not make sense.
I myself am tormented by vague doubts. Your perception is like Spinoza's God. This philosopher declared back in the 17th century that God is the laws of nature.
As for the question itself, of course not. The science of physics, by definition, studies objective (independent of our consciousness) general laws of the motion of matter. Like any other exact science, physics does not confirm anything, but can refute something with a well-designed experiment. This is called falsifiability.
At the same time, any religion is built in such a way as to circumvent this criterion in all possible and impossible ways. I am cautiously suggesting that it is only because of this that some religions have survived in competition with the exact sciences.
The result is a paradoxical situation. Exact sciences cannot refute God, not because he does not exist (although who knows?), but for the reasons described above.
Are you surprised by the evolution of organisms from solitary to colony? I think that the divine information field has nothing to do with it. This is more of a higher-level evolution. As you correctly pointed out:
That is, let's say there were 100 single lions and 5 united in a pride. Who will survive the harsh conditions of the jungle and give more offspring? I'm not very good at biology, but I think it's a pride, because it will be impossible for a lone lioness to raise and feed her offspring.
Another example is modern industrial enterprises. Gone are the days when spare parts for combine harvesters were cut and turned by hand. Those enterprises where information technologies come to the fore – the most common competition-survive.
If we continue this idea further, the collective mind will sooner or later cover our planet.
Personally, I was an ardent atheist and pagan in the past, who never believed in any horoscopes and fortune tellers. I read this book in one sitting and believed in the existence of God.
Vit link to the first book.
If you explain it more clearly and without delving into any details, the following comes out. The universe is holographic, and all objects repeat themselves in essence. They can only be different in shape. Let's take a person for clarity. This is a single organism that is controlled as if automatically. The essence of this organism is adaptability to the environment, survival and development. This interaction is observed in any organism.Take for example the family, the race, the state, humanity, the earth as a single organism with all life on earth. We all depend on each other and interact to ensure survival. The survival rate of everything is provided by some laws, we can believe in them or not, but they will not cease to exist from this. Everything repeats itself incrementally. God is the ultimate organism that governs everything through universal laws. Like the human body that controls organs, cells, and atoms. It would be naive to believe that all these processes can be controlled by our consciousness. And you don't have to believe in God whether he exists or not. And you need to believe God that everything that happens is reasonable and ensures the survival of the entire organism as a whole. If in our body a single cell becomes cancerous, trying to destroy the entire body, not realizing that it will die itself. They don't usually stand on ceremony with her. And religion is not going to church and bowing down with strange fairy tales. Religion is a set of laws of the universe, which are written in the sacred primary sources, and commandments that must not be strictly observed. Failure to comply with these laws turns us into cancer cells that must be destroyed.
Again, the question is not accurately posed. Physics has no point of view. But physicists have it and more than one. Here it is up to you to decide whether to adhere to the majority opinion or not. Because the majority is not a guarantee of truth. https://www.isa4310.com/ru/библиотека/видео/взгляд-на-происхождение-жизни/массимо-тистарелли-робототехник/
All that you have described is the stages of the formation of higher organisms, but the fact is that higher organisms do not deny the existence of lower organisms, all species exist simultaneously and the fittest survive, it is not a fact that a Person will survive the next cataclysm, and with it the intelligent principle that gave birth to God as a phenomenon.
Just a Person and the Mind are a natural phenomenon, but there will be a Person, and with him and God, as long as there are conditions for his existence.
God is not a physical phenomenon, so from the point of view of physics, there is no God, i.e. it is not a material object, but a product of the Mind. Therefore, from the point of view of Reason, there is a God, it is difficult to deny what everyone is saying.
People invented gods when they did not yet understand the causes of Natural phenomena. Ignorance always breeds fear and adoration.
When the priests had at their disposal the technical devices and discoveries of travelers, the priests began to study natural phenomena, write them down and logically compare all the phenomena. And then the priests understood how to intimidate and control a crowd of people without introducing them to scientific knowledge. Thus, religions and the appearance of a supreme deity appeared, before which one must bow down and communicate through priests and their oracles.
Now, when the authority of religion is falling, people are forced to be afraid of artificial intelligence, which will enslave all people.
Of course, the intrigues of the priests will never end, but as we can see, humanity is still developing. And this means that no matter how much the priests hide their knowledge, in some place this knowledge will be born out and will work for the benefit of all people, and not just a handful of rich people.
People can only replace their hands and feet, but the internal organs are interconnected not only by chemical and nervous connections, but also by the energy of the human biofield.
Neural connections can be adapted to work together with artificial limbs, but the internal life of the body obeys its own cellular laws, which are not subject to humans.
I have an article about human vitality and improving the energy of his memory to the level of the Creator:
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5e4955c5cc6d233fd0f6a8e7/fizicheskaia-smert-dver-v-jizn-energii-pamiati-5fdbd3ca7c919e46c06f048a
1. Everything that has a beginning has a cause.
2. The universe has a beginning.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.
To think that the universe came out of nothing and was not created by anyone is sheer nonsense! Nothing can come out of nothing. So why is there not nothing, but the universe? Where did it come from? There must have been a reason why the universe came into being.
This cause must be the causeless, unchanging, timeless, and immaterial Being who created the universe. It must have no cause, because there can't be an infinite chain of causes going back to the past. It must be timeless and therefore unchangeable, because It created time. And since It also created space, It must be outside of space, that is, It must be immaterial, disembodied.
This Being must also be a person. How else could a timeless cause produce such a temporary effect as the universe? If a cause were a simple mechanically acting set of necessary and sufficient conditions, this cause could not exist without an effect. For example, the cause of freezing water is a drop in temperature below 0ºC. If the temperature from eternity were below zero, all the water from eternity would be in a solid state. The freezing of water could not have started any finite time ago. So an eternal cause must have eternal effects. The only way in which a cause can be timeless and an effect can have a beginning in time is that this cause is a person who makes a voluntary decision to create an effect in time that is not conditioned by any previous conditions. For example, a person who has been sitting forever can freely get up whenever he wants. This leads us to conclude that the universe had not just a transcendent cause, but a personal Creator.
HERE it is more appropriate to use system information analysis (cybernetics) to analyze Nature/The universe.
The newest branch of physics-information physics-is similarly effective and adequate here.
All Live Systems have a Control Center.
The existence of physics and indeed any other science suggests that a human being is a reasonable being, busy searching for answers to their questions about the universe.
In turn, the mind of this creature, which is not clear from where and how it appeared, speaks of its exclusivity in comparison with other living beings.
And finally, this unique creature asks a fascinating question – is there Someone Who invented all this?
It seems to me that physics and chemistry, astronomy, biology, algebra and other amazing sciences that a person is engaged in-unobtrusively and modestly, but at the same time so loudly speak about the Creator of all this splendor.
I've been thinking about the existence of God lately. Although I am an atheist, this question is very exciting for me. However, none of the modern religions fit the opinion that was satisfying to me.
Many people approach religion as it is written in the Bible-they choose those who would flatter their servants.
Just to be honest there are only two options:
There is no God
There is a God
And any reasonable person can just go and check the facts and answer a simple question, but most people do not do this, even those who say that they believe in God
Then a lot of unanswered questions immediately arise?
For example, how did everything appear?
Scientists have studied the universe and found that it is expanding, which says that it appeared as a result of an Explosion, in the film NASS explained that they say there was nothing, and then the energy gathered (I wonder where if there was nothing) and there was an explosion of energy, which resulted in the appearance of matter-strange, it is equivalent to that a shell
Then they say, they say, based on silicon and something else – where does silicon come from? Why after the explosion, everything started moving according to perfect laws? etc
And this is the most appropriate option – but it's just ridiculous!
Well, how did life come to be on Earth?
Scientists say that for the appearance of at least one living cell, 20 amino acids are needed, some of which are not found in one environment, and even today scientists in ideal conditions in the laboratory cannot create what supposedly appeared by chance?
That is, the probability of the appearance of a living cell is not just 0, but 0 to the power greater than 100
Further, let's say a wonderful miracle happened again and not just a living cell appeared, since it has about the same chances of surviving in an aggressive environment, but primary broth appeared and then amoebas and ciliates shoes and the like-it was launched in the theory of evolution and supposedly others appeared from some species-BUT! and then there are no less questions than before!
There are no fossils that Darwin mentioned that would confirm that other species evolved from one species, and such ides as birds, and especially insects, do not explain how they appeared at all?
although in the Soviet Union, the Theory of Evolution was studied as a fact?
But in fact, are there any facts?
That is, there is no evidence, but why don't species evolve now?
Okay, I've already written a lot, but let's take a person, scientists have studied a person and found that in about 4 years all the cells of the body are renewed, and for some reason, this process slows down in people, which leads to aging, and they say that if you remove this reason, then people could live forever!
Also, the human brain is so complex that it's just a mystery how the organ works at 100%, but its resources are used at a minimum, the volume that can be invested in it is more than 20,000,000 volumes, it would take several million years – how could such a complex organ appear, which is designed for millions of years of work in the process of evolution?
In other words, there are a huge number of unanswered questions – didn't you think it would be worth analyzing them all?
And then just as carefully consider the questions of what evidence there is for the existence of God?
From the point of view of materialistic physics, there is no Mind in the universe, that is, there is no God. After all, all the fuss is just because of the Mind. Materialism (physics) considers the universe and its laws as having arisen accidentally out of chaos, without any plan, much less thought.
She conscientiously explores the material world and has a lot of respect for it.
But no matter how a medical doctor examines a patient, no matter what nanotechnologies he rises to, he will never find a cell or system in the body that is responsible for conscience, love, selfishness, creativity.
These are not physical concepts in the sense of concepts derived from neural connections, quantum entanglements, and inflationary radiation.
Even Stephen Hawking's god is something blurry, misunderstood, and inexplicable that didn't create anything.
Thus, from the point of view of physics, there is no God ( Universal Mind).
Despite this, there is a Root of everything, there is an Architect and there are Creators. And all these are High incomprehensible Minds. A cause that itself has no cause is something that cannot be explained but can be abstractly accepted as the source of all that is, has been, and will be, or for an ignorant person as a personal god.
This source is not love, but the cause of love; it is not light, but the cause of light; it is not life, but the cause of life.
Dear Ekaterina, in the comments you write
In these phrases, you, firstly, clarified the understanding of God as the creator of all things, and secondly, decided to rely not only on physics, but on science as a whole, which is more rational.
Let's also clarify the concepts of science and existence that are important for answering your question.
The existence of any object manifests itself only through its influence on the environment, through interaction with the environment. An object that doesn't affect anything can't be detected, and it certainly can't create anything. Therefore, it is pointless and irrational to discuss such objects and assume their existence.
Science is based on the experience of everyday actions and special experiments that reproduce the interactions of different objects and record their results.
In the last two centuries, based on observations and experiments, science has come to understand that nature is a self – organizing system. First, it was discovered in biology when studying biological beings, then in cosmology and geology on the example of cosmic and geological systems. Finally, there is synergetics, which studies self-organization in physical, chemical, and other processes.
Since the middle of the last century, cybernetics, and then more broadly, began to develop the idea that information is no less fundamental than matter, that natural processes can be considered in the categories of control, feedback, and information processing.
As a result, understanding nature as a self-organizing system that can become more complex, accumulate information, and create more and more objects in itself makes the idea of an external creator unnecessary. Nature creates itself, that is, it is the desired creator god, but it creates not the surrounding world, but itself, not simultaneously, but gradually and constantly, not out of nothing, but out of existing things. So it created, for example, the solar system, flora, fauna, humanity, you and me, and continues to develop further, including with the help of people. Such a “scientific” god who created everything can be felt, observed, and studied by scientific methods, and not just believe in him.
Read more about all this on the website “Information and development” https://infoevo.ru
Yes, here is the full physical model https://youtu.be/sj_OUxpjU9Q there are no whistleblowers and it is not expected because you need to break the entire Copenhagen model of physics .
Enclosing a research paper on the topic with an indication of sources https://vixra.org/abs/2103.0040
Well done! Now try these observations of yours:
.. Connect with the lines of holy scripture-Genesis, Chapter 1:
… whereThe Spirit of God just there is all the energy of the universe that you have noticed, and so on:
.. here we see the command of the Universal Mind, Which created with this universal energy in the Wisdom It Generates, because the results of creation are very highly appreciated!
Now let us turn to the revelation of the beloved disciple of the Son of God (Born of God the FatherWisdom) of Jesus Christ the Apostle John on the Essence of God:
.. and this part of the Holy Scripture is revealed to you in the following assumptions::
And now, if you put it all together
. That is, we receive One God in the Most Holy Trinity:
That is, judging by the results “Evolutions ” – opened by you: –
.. It is a Rational Entity that creates and contains all things in Its Wisdom.
And This Intelligent Entity, in the world of polytheism, revealed Itself to the world through the chosen people, as God is One!
That's what He called Himself to Moses: –
So-go for it in the same spirit!
And you will notice that man, as the image of God – the creator of the free will of Love, also creates in the Wisdom of his Mind and with the application of the volitional effort of creation.
By the way, according to statistics, most believers are among physicists 🙂
) good question, thanks for having fun, especially when referring to science!
What kind of science do you have in mind? The one in which scientists recently believed that the earth is flat? You may have forgotten that the tenets of True Science are immutable.
Modern Science implies justification, but God cannot be justified. This argument is eternal. The Buddha, for 5 thousand years, has been constantly laughing at us as fools, at how we interpret the understanding of God… It is clear that for most people, the concept of God is simplified for ease of understanding, and so on
Today, there are many outstanding physicists/scientists who are truly in SCIENCE. Not our modern clowns who pretend to be scientists. Real Scientists-by understanding science, they come to God. After all, Real science cannot contradict the principles of nature. On the contrary, it is designed to confirm them, right?
All the great scientists eventually came to understand that only God could have created our material world so thoroughly.
By the way, God also created you, or do you think that you are descended from a monkey?))
The time will soon come when modern science will be able to look into the very depths of matter: what the energies that weave the fabric of this world are made of! And we humans WILL finally UNDERSTAND – HOW CAN THERE BE ANYTHING THAT IS NOT CREATED BY GOD, IN A WORLD CREATED BY GOD?
I can not answer what point of view those who are engaged in physics adhere to, because there are also people there and they are all developed and think differently. But I can answer for my life experience. I was driven to touch the unknown by curiosity and the desire to know, but not blindly believe that someone knows something and therefore can satisfy me with this knowledge. Before that, I experienced a moment of knowledge called silent knowledge. Then I had my own vision and contact with dark matter. After I had the experience of being by my own will and desire, what I call heaven and had communication before with the space that is called the tunnel, after I had training and initiation into psychics in heaven or more precisely at home. Insight into what people call god( I will note that this word does not quite correctly define what is) the infinite mind will be closer to him. The mind is so big that our universe is a barely noticeable dot against its background, and there are countless such dots-universes. The mind gives birth to small parts of itself that a person has defined as soul (I note that the word soul does not give an exact definition) I would call a small mind equal in all respects to the whole except for size and strength. Each person in his time of self-knowledge has the opportunity to know everything that he wants, there are no secrets in the mind, they are invented by religions for their own benefit.
There are two questions here.
Does God exist?
In our world, God does not exist. God is the Creator of the world. And just as the cook does not exist in the soup, the programmer in the program, so God does not exist in the world He created. By definition, God is transcendental.
From the point of view of nature?
Physics (from the Greek φσσις-nature) is a field of natural science: the science of the most general laws of nature, matter, its structure, motion, and transformation rules.
Is it like putting yourself in the place of nature and responding?
All Nature (physics) this is a consequence of the execution of laws, the source of which is outside the laws themselves, i.e. outside the world.
This means that there is a source of laws outside the world that created the world – the Lawgiver, God.
Exists! Physical laws surround us, and we live by them. And we consider the people who discovered these laws to be great. For example, Albert Einstein, a theoretical physicist and Nobel laureate, believed in God.
But how big is the physicist who invented, created and controls these laws to make our life possible?
These laws were not discovered by themselves, but were formulated by educated and enthusiastic people. They spent a lot of time and effort to open them.
Could the laws of physics have appeared on their own, if only so much effort was needed to discover them?
The Bible records such a clear example: “…he who built it has greater honor than a house… every house is built by someone; but He who built all things is God” (Hebrews 3:3,4). When we see a house, we do not have the idea that it appeared at the will of some unknown forces. On the contrary, we understand that its construction requires: a project, appropriate materials, qualified workers, etc. How complex and unique is our house-Earth?!
We don't even know what God is, and I don't think physics denies him. Since everything can be explained, it has some ability to create worlds. We can only guess who he is.
And physics will always ask you: is this object measurable? do processes have repeatability? Roughly speaking, if you take hold of an electric wire ten times, then you should be electrocuted ten times, and there is a threshold at which you will remain alive. And if the Lord did something ten times, then on the eleventh, He will also perform it, like. And besides, can you identify It from the point of view of measurability?
And yet, a lot of people miss a very important detail – what, in fact, is it about? Who / What is God? No one knows this, from the word AT ALL! And then your whole question loses any meaning, because the main concept is not defined.
You will find a definition of the concept of God, but only when you do not find the main thing, this is the correspondence of the book definition to the real image. In the real, real world, no matter how you search, you won't find it.
What does this mean? This suggests that Santa Claus exists only in our thoughts, and that's all. We can even put him in a beautiful sheepskin coat, put him in a sleigh, and harness the reindeer with bells. But when a child asks clarifying questions and goes deeper into the topic, over time he comes to the sad conclusion that D. Moroz is just a beautiful, albeit convincing fairy tale, was.
from the point of view of physics, our lives are the result of the big bang that occurred many billions of years ago.
God is the creator, this is the antithesis of TBV because-no, it does not exist
So this is not a question for physicists
Ask biologists they at least work with living matter and know that Life can only arise from life and not from the big bang
Dear Ekaterina, from the point of view of mathematics, fortunately or unfortunately, the existence of God cannot be proved or disproved by 100 % , but from the point of view of probability theory, His existence tends to these 100 % . The existence of God is staggeringly likely than improbable . From the creations, the Creator is known, from the macrocosm with an impossibly improbable fine-tuning of the Universe by a multitude of constants (only the Cosmological constant 10 to the power of 120), to the microcosm with the same negligibly improbable events as the random formation of amino acids , proteins , and cells . The complexity of these processes is such that there will not be enough time for the existence of a billion universes . The fact is that only in the picture in the biology textbook the cell is simple , in fact it is comparable in complexity to a megalopolis, with many organelles, the most complex cytoskeleton, gateways, molecular motors, vesicles, factories , and most importantly the city is controlled by people with brains, and here the molecules themselves top-top dragged the load, and this is with the second law of thermodynamics)) for example, the probability of the appearance of only one simple protein molecule, as a result of blind chemical interactions, consisting of 150 amino acids, is 1 chance out of 10 to the power of 164 (a number with 164 zeros). And according to mathematics, the probability of less than 1 in 10 in 50 is considered zero , so Occam's law does not contradict here , you need to introduce a new essence of God
From the point of view of physics, the existence and properties of God are consistent with physical laws . God is a disembodied Spirit , since the laws of time apply only to matter, God exists without time, hence it follows that any of His properties multiplied by infinity (in timelessness ) and makes God God (eternal , omnipresent, etc.). In addition, there is no causal relationship outside of time , so God creates himself before he begins to exist with the help of his Word .This is described in John 1:1. Similar paradoxes are already observed in science: Particle-wave dualism, and quantum entanglement . As for where God lives and whether there is something not material, scientists have come to the existence of dark boson matter and dark energy, which corresponds to 96 % of the substance against all our matter 4 %, Whether this hidden matter is Spirit-no of course, but it is possible that there are other layers
From the point of view of philosophy , God either exists or does not exist, if He does not exist, then he creates himself with a violation of cause and effect . The absence of God already creates His existence , so the existence of God is the most inevitable scenario . The key to understanding this is to account for the lack of time for God as a non material object
There is such a law – the law of entropy. Entropy is a measure of the disorder of a system. In other words, the more chaos in the system, the greater the entropy. A more precise formulation: in the case of spontaneous processes occurring in systems, entropy always increases. As a rule, all spontaneous processes are irreversible. They lead to real changes in the system, and it is impossible to return it to its original state without spending energy.
For example, a house where no one lives is falling into disrepair. Iron will rust over time, and the car will age. Relationships that no one cares about are destroyed. Just like everything else in our life: everything that is left unattended is destroyed!
Now think about it!…and what is the situation in our galaxy, the universe?..Everything works like clockwork there. Every day we are sure that the sun will rise tomorrow. We even know the exact time of sunrise and sunset…Who is monitoring this?! Scientists call it the mind, but how can the mind or brain be separate from the individual?!
Well, look at this. There is the big bang theory.
According to it, there was a certain zero state of the universe – when it was pulled to a point. And then there was the creation of the world. That is, in fact, physicists are not so far removed from the philosophers and theologians of antiquity. They answer the same questions and come to basically the same conclusions as people with more primitive thinking.
In my opinion, God, from the point of view of physics , is the reason why the universe exists at all with all its parameters.
Is there such a reason? Well, most likely there is. Why would the universe suddenly exist without a reason? Physics, as a science, of course, needs strong evidence, but still..
Another thing is that this very definition of god is so far removed from the everyday definition that it makes no sense to call the physical “god” – god.
The answer to this question is complicated.I'm kind of an atheist, too.and I don't quite believe in God.but I have a great imagination.And I can use my knowledge to think about God.I have a theory myself.but your theory is great.more gorgeous than mine.are you a writer, by any chance?”if not, then you should start.your field is probably closer to science fiction.at the very least, you should write a book in the genre of science fiction based on your own question and assumption, before another smart guy steals the idea.I absolutely admire your suggestion
On the one hand, separation from the “colony”, or self-awareness (inherent in a person) this is a kind of degradation, a separation of oneself from the divine existence. On the other hand, this is the only way to know the world, when it is possible to contrast the personal ego with the rest of the world (perception can only be in the duality of states of consciousness). Both are only periods of the cycle (falling and ascending), and the cycles are turns of the infinite spiral (Infinity) of evolution.
Bacteria and other simple organisms (monads with a small accumulation of experience and knowledge) do not unite, but are born “united”, i.e. by a single consciousness of the species (controlled by a Higher Mind), and their further evolution leads to gradual, gradual separation, to isolation. Any realm of evolution below the human one (the elementals of the 3 kingdoms, the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms) has a desire for the highest form of existence-human, so their destiny is to evolve to the separation, separation of the single consciousness inherent in their community, so that having reached the human realm and self-consciousness, they can begin to independently know the world. Even in their community, the lower realms go through evolutionary cycles, as if of gradual separation, thereby expanding consciousness and moving from form to form from kingdom to kingdom to man.
Humanity within the kingdom also evolves cyclically, from the first Circles (races) described by H. P. Blavatsky as non-self-aware. Before the 4th Circle, there is a fall into matter, i.e., the separation of consciousness from the divine community of the human kingdom and the emergence of self-consciousness, followed by the process of cognition, until the period of the beginning of the ascent, when the unifying forces of evolution begin to act, and so on until the 7th Circle (race)-Divine Humanity.
The concept of God will always be beyond the comprehension of man, God-manhood, etc. Evolution is Boundless, and one of its Foundations lies in the duality of the manifested-its form, evidence, and hidden essence. Evolution is cycles in the development of one or the other, when consciousness rushes first centripetally (towards the divine essence), then centrifugal (towards separation from the divine essence, into matter), while with each cycle it deepens and expands its boundaries and this is an endless process called Infinity. Consciousness is Movement, and there can be no consciousness outside of movement.
The physical brain is just an instrument of the mind, which in turn is one of the sides of the mind (the second is the heart's understanding), so the brain cannot “turn into a collective mind”, but the unification of individual minds both horizontally and vertically (hierarchically) leads to various forms of collective mind, as departments of a Single Collective Mind in its hierarchical infinity.
The concept of gender (gender in society) and the parent does not cease and will never cease to exist in the manifested, including self-aware world, but passes into a new form of this concept, balanced, harmonious with the onset of the Era of the Mother of the World (woman). And as always, at the border of such changes, absurd manifestations occur, because most of humanity still separates itself from the Unified Consciousness and Higher Intelligence. The concept of gender (gender-brightness) should become a balanced, harmonious state, and not a mixed-blurred one, as they try to promote it under the sauce of “gender equality”, in the sense of”forming the middle sex”.
Precisely, from the point of view of physics, taking into account the Foundations of being and the universe set forth in the Doctrine of the East, the concept of the divine principle (God) cannot but exist. It is difficult to answer your question briefly, as the multi-volume works of H. P. Blavatsky are devoted to this, who constantly stressed that any language of humanity is not able to give a complete form to Knowledge. But this Knowledge is embedded in every person, like a spark that a person can fan by striving for the knowledge of the inner self, that is, to spirituality.
At school, my favorite subject was chemistry. The chemistry teacher was already in years. She explained the structure of the atom in a funny way; she ran around the table, which she called the ” nucleus “(consisting of proton particles) and said: “I'm an electron, I'm an electron!..” I was wondering, then, what this electron or proton is made of. It turned out that in the mid-80s, all a student needed to know about this question was that an elementary particle is just a particle and that's it!
One day, I read a small book written by a Russian scientist, surgeon, and Stalin Prize winner, Archbishop Luka (in the world of Valentin Feliksovich Voino-Yasenetsky) https://lib.pravmir.ru/library/book/911
All my guesses were confirmed and my doubts were dispelled.
The Supreme mind is the author of all laws. Including physical ones.
The Scripture says;
“Of course, every house has its own builder,
But God is the builder of all things.”
Would a reasonable person argue with the first statement?
So why do many people argue with the second one?
Read the opinion of a world-renowned scientist: https://zen.yandex.ru/media/palitra/sotvorenie-ili-evoliuciia-sovetskii-professor-vavilov-predostavil-fakty-5e48c9c792b8200f2f56bbe9
Dear Ekaterina, I'm not a physicist, of course, but let me give you my opinion on your question. When I read it, I immediately thought of Einstein , a famous physicist. It would seem that a person associated with science will be an atheist. But no. He believed in God. And although his faith was peculiar, notice what he said:
Many famous scientists (most, by the way, physicists: James Joule, James Clark Maxwell, Michael Faraday and others) through the knowledge of science came to recognize God and to believe in Him. This is a fact. The universe is beautifully and harmoniously composed and, studying it, it is impossible not to believe that it was created by a Great Mind.
These learned minds saw no conflict between Christian faith and science.
Isaac Newton, for example, said:
Andre Ampere said:
The famous physicist Thomas Edison spoke out:
And there are a great many similar quotes. But I will probably give you one more, which belongs to the famous physicist Michael Faraday:
I totally agree with him. In the Bible, you can find answers to almost all your questions. There would be a desire. You know, some people start reading the Holy Scriptures, immediately approaching it with skepticism and criticism. Others are truly exploring the Word of God. And if you also do it with prayer, then it will become clearer to you. The Lord Himself wants to reveal the truth to you and to all people.
Just ask Him for it. For example: “Oh my God. I want to get to know You. Do you really exist? What Are You Like? Open Yourself to me, give me an understanding of what you read in the Bible. In the name of Jesus Christ. Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. Amen.
Christ invites everyone to personal communion with Him:
We learn from the Bible about the early history of our world, about the creation of man and his fall. There, even before the debate about the shape of the Earth began, there was already an answer in the book of Job. There are also references to dinosaur-like animals in the Bible.
Of course, one should not expect statements like scientific theories in the Holy Scriptures. After all, the books of the Bible were written not as textbooks, but as a message intended primarily for the spiritual growth of a person, for his purification from sin.
But at the same time, unlike the sacred books of other religions, it contains some statements that are not only perfectly consistent with scientific facts, but also many centuries ahead of them.
One of these statements is precisely about what kind of God created the Earth:
The Hebrew word “hug”, translated as “circle”, means not only a circle, but also a ball. So, the Bible not only does not contradict modern ideas about the shape of our planet, but also refutes the theory of a flat Earth. And Isaiah's description of the sky in the same passage also fits perfectly with the modern idea of the atmosphere covering the planet like a thin cloth.
And this is not the only passage in the Bible that looks quite progressive for its time. We can also recall the statement in the book of Job that the Creator “hung the earth on nothing” (Job 26: 7). The same Isaiah also recalls a principle very similar to the laws of conservation (energy, momentum, mass, etc.). Describing the stars that the Lord guides, the prophet writes: “… according to the multitude of His might and great power, nothing is lost from Him ” (Isaiah 40:26).
All this suggests that the Bible is not only a book written by religious people, but also the Word of God transmitted to people through the prophets. The Lord, who created the planet Earth, made sure that people correctly understood His plan and, exploring the beauty of creation, glorified His love and wisdom.
God never requires blind faith in Him. Yes, some things should be taken solely on faith, but Christ calls:
To think, to search, to be interested, to be convinced-if only the mind and thought are really focused on the search for truth-is also one of the manifestations of love for the Creator (see Proverbs 3: 5).
And how much the Bible can tell you about God himself. That He is some kind of clot of matter or a stream of information. God is A Person. He created our first parents in His Own image.
God created humans as beings endowed with individuality, power, and freedom to think and act. Man, according to God's plan — is an indissoluble unity of body, soul and spirit. This tells us that the Lord Himself is a Person, since we are created in His likeness. God does not appear in the Bible as an abstract force that permeates this world, or as an Absolute.
God reveals himself to man as a Being in a relationship. The social nature of man testifies to the social nature of God. No sinful person has ever seen God (see Exodus 33: 20). We don't have a picture of His face. But God has shown His character through merciful works and the description given through Moses:
Even nature itself provides a revelation of the Creator:
If you are interested in topics such as
you can also find answers to these questions in the Bible. But it's not easy to do it yourself. The Geoscience Research Institute considers these issues more clearly and comprehensively from a Christian point of view. By clicking on the link, you will be taken to their website, where you can read the answers to the most frequently asked questions on the above topics.
God bless you!
There is such a phenomenon: “cause-effect”.
If we see the effect, we understand that there must be a cause. You can say this: “If you saw a good house in a desert area, where there would be food supplies (consequence), would you doubt that someone (cause) built this house and takes care of it?
And when we come across evidence of intelligent design in nature and see that the Earth is plentiful with food (consequence), doesn't this indicate that Someone (Cause) created our planet and takes care of it?
God exists from the point of view of physics-think about the force of attraction, about electromagnetic fields. About the clear movement of the earth and other planets in space. Who put these laws into effect? A separate mind from the individual? A cosmic explosion?
And from the point of view of chemistry and biology, etc. I liked the words of the famous chemist Valitov. He made an amazing discovery, which, in short, is as follows: when a person speaks or thinks, the neurons of his brain emit vibrations, the waves of which can be detected anywhere in the universe. He said, ” If this is the case, then someone needs it, then it all has a master. So I discovered God.”
It is impossible to study God's physics with TZ. What does physics have to do with it? God cannot be studied by a science that deals with the elementary, with simple systems, with the most basic laws of their existence and functioning. Because of the complexity of it, in a word. Does physics study a person?
That it exists is proved by analogy.
There are a huge number of civilizations in the universe.
Some of them appeared even billions of years ago.
Some of them still exist today.
Some of them have reached a level beyond our limited understanding and perception.
Some of them have been on Earth periodically.
From these contacts, the people of Earth received a variety of ideas about the Gods.
Civilization from above can also be presented as a Single God.
And he, quite naturally, is omnipotent for us and His other powers.
attributes are still in place.
That's about it.
Parmenides argued that being and thinking are one and the same thing. Plotinus moved from the concept of Mind and the One to their objective existence. A similar argument is found in Augustine, who constructs the following chain of reasoning: “I doubt, therefore I know it is true – therefore truth exists, therefore truth is God.” Thinking can be adequate and symbolic, which is nothing more than imagination, but adequate thinking controls symbolic thinking, rational thinking and makes appropriate adjustments (see I. Kant: “the heteronomous imperative”). We think about our space : the event was, passed, died, exists, does not exist. God is in Eternity, where everything is unchangeable and permanent. Therefore, “God does not exist” is a logical contradiction. In God, to exist, to be, the Essence, and not to be the absence of existence, ideas, the absence of a universal, and yet the attributes of God are identical. Therefore, if we deny one attribute, we deny both existence, being and non-being. God is the fullness of all existing, positive properties: to exist is a positive property, and we, as the whole world, are involved in this (Universal), as individual representatives, in One Main Reason for Existence at all times of our changing space-time (but not for God: Descartes, Leibniz, Hegel).
Pierre Abelard enters into a dispute with the realists: therefore, it must be recognized that either individual things really exist, or some general concepts (universals)are responsible for the differences between individual things . Abelard was concerned with the question of universals, and the relation of faith and reason. According to Abelard, universals are present in the human mind. With regard to the latter, Abelard argued (he has a short work with a long title: “Objection to a certain ignoramus in the field of dialectics, who, however, condemned the practice of it and considered all its provisions as sophisms and deceptions.” If Anselm of Canterbury said: “I believe in order to understand”, then Abelard is often credited with the phrase: “I understand in order to believe”. Any object must always be tested by reason, and Abelard prefers knowledge to blind faith. In ” A Dialogue between a philosopher, a Jew, and a Christian.” Abelard writes that in many areas of knowledge there is progress, but in faith there is no progress, and this is explained by the fact that people are hardened in their ignorance and are afraid to say something new, believing that by stating the position held by the majority, they are expressing the truth. The criterion of truth is: immutability, constancy obtained through contemplation, a pure act of thinking. Yes and no”, where he quotes about 170 quotations from the Holy Scriptures and the works of the Church fathers. These quotations clearly contradict one another, but it is obvious that St. John the Baptist also said: The Scriptures and the works of the Church fathers are nevertheless the main authorities for everyone. Abelard believed that general concepts exist, but not separately from things, but subjectively in the human mind. In modern Europe, this view will be very common.