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  1. The brain is a “neural network”. And different combinations of neurons can lead to the same “thought”…
    Here is a MEMORY – it is quite possible to “localize”. But this will not be a “group of neurons”, but a certain state of several “groups” at once, “spaced” over relatively large distances.
    Emotions are determined not so much by the state of neurons, but by the presence or absence of various “catalysts”.

  2. The physical body is indeed a carrier of consciousness and generates it as a result of its development through social adaptation and accessible ways of knowing the world (contact with the world). But if you want to find consciousness literally in the brain, you won't find it. Do you believe that the physical body has intelligence, thoughts, and emotions? This is true, but then find them, take them out and look at them. You can not. Although in this case, they are ready to assert the existence and specific location of what they are not able to see. It's weird, even by your standards. Therefore, it is not necessary to confuse the reaction of the physical, available for fixation, and the motivating primary source. This means that feelings, emotions, and thoughts do not exist in the same plane of existence with the physical body, but only manifest in it as reactions of the physical. Therefore, they can be recognized as not existing in this space, which means that specific spatial coordinates of their location in this spatial density also do not exist. And yet the direction is correct, there is some truth here. Only these “coordinates” will be represented differently than you imagine. Because they do not relate to space-time, but to time-space. Space, only the other way around. What you call thoughts, emotions, and feelings are actually states. States are directly related to the time flow vector. So, if you know enough about yourself (your true self) and are able to manage, then you already know a way to “forget” your current state and “remember” the state that is required. So much for the “coordinates” of the time-space that exists in the inner density. However, this activity is quite dangerous even in our understanding, so it is good that such knowledge is not available to everyone.

  3. So far, there is no concrete confirmation of where exactly consciousness is located. But the fact that the brain plays some kind of role here is a place to be:)

    Thoughts are chains of excited neurons through which an electrical impulse passes. Chains of neurons are formed from the connection of individual neurons. Certain neurons are connected or not connected in a chain, depending on the presence or absence of certain neurotransmitters.

    Emotions are the biochemistry of the brain. Biochemistry is the presence or absence of specific hormones and neurotransmitters in the intercellular fluid. And here, probably, you are right when talking about coordinates, because the chemical composition is not uniform in the volume of the brain. However, the current level of development does not allow such measurements to be made in real time.

    It is also important that a different emotional state – a different biochemistry-provides a different topology for the flow of thought processes. Therefore, being in different emotional states, we think differently about the same object, event, phenomenon.

    At the same time, although the coordinates of the brain regions responsible for certain operations are known, the “coordinates of specific thoughts” will also depend on the physiological state of the person.

    Most likely, today it is possible to speak with a sufficient degree of confidence only about specific areas of the brain that provide specific activity in a particular person with a specific condition in a specific period of time.�

    In order to find a way to determine the exact coordinates of any thought, it will probably require long and complex research.

    With reflexes, everything is easier. Here, the corresponding coordinates are given by the Penfield Homunculus 🙂

    Good luck to you!

  4. Consciousness is not attached to the body, but the body needs consciousness. The cranium is not a prison for consciousness, but thinking determines the behavior of an ordinary person. In a dream, the water is wet and the grass is green, although we sleep with our eyes closed and under a dry blanket – the senses do not give rise to consciousness. It is not possible to affect consciousness, but existence is not possible without its presence. Viewing this personal “Movie” is not possible without a projector and screen. It's hard to believe, because it's ingeniously simple.;)

  5. I will add some more interesting and more mundane and understandable information to the layman, generally from the other side, than the answers above.

    If you pay attention to the place where you feel that the thought process is going on, it will be the head. To be more precise, I have it exactly in the middle inside the skull, like a lump. So, physicist Richard Feynman used a sensory deprivation chamber (floating capsule) and some substances to experiment with his consciousness. In short, if you touch your shoulder now, you will say that it is lower than your ego in your head. But in the cell, he was able to move the ego lower down his neck so that the drop that fell on his shoulder looked higher. If you try to imagine being in such a cell, you can quite believe it. It sounds, at first, like some kind of religious or mystical crap, but I myself (and not only I) had the feeling that I was flying somewhere up. Usually before going to bed and in the dark, this happens.

    Link �to an excerpt from the book with the experiment.
    Out-of-body experiences on the Wiki.

  6. First, the clumsy question statement. It is not very clear what was meant. And so, yes, you can be sure that your thoughts and emotions exist only in your brain, and nowhere else, and moreover, they are the fruit of your individual imagination. Thus, it turns out that they have spatial coordinates that coincide with the spatial coordinates of your brain. But the question is stupid. Thoughts are electrical impulses that run between neurons in the brain, and the brain works very much like a computer processor, in which electrical impulses run between transistors, forming logical commands. Do CPU instructions have spatial coordinates? Yes, the same ones as the processor itself. It's a lot easier than you think. Finally, a quote: “Don't think too much. So you create problems that didn't exist in the first place” F. Nietzsche.

  7. If consciousness is literally located in the brain, does this mean that thoughts and emotions have spatial coordinates?

    In Artem's simple question, there is a “babel of babel” of unreflected assumptions [and assumptions not only about consciousness, but also about consciousness itself, by the way :)], which lead to the seemingly inevitable, but confusing author of the question (otherwise why would it be asked) conclusion. Here are just a few of them:

    1. If consciousness is literally in the brain… and�

    2. if the brain, for all its complexity, is structurally simple – i.e., its cephalic, spinal, and peripheral differentiation can be neglected… and

    3. if the spatiality of the brain is one-order and is not related/correlated with the spatiality of the body that has a brain, the spatiality of reality that includes the body that has a brain,… and

    4. if consciousness is reduced to punctual, i.e. separate (although multiple and related to each other) manifestations of its own-thoughts, emotions, etc., i.e. continuity-duration and its own spatial similarity of consciousness can be ignored… and

    5. if the above-mentioned punctual phenomena of consciousness can be correctly and controllably compared with instrumentally observed brain activity (localized in it and/or its areas)…and so on. and so on.

    The fact that these and many other circumstances (some of them are indicated in the answers and comments of colleagues) are essential for understanding the problem of consciousness and the significance of its spatial parameters ( or its phenomena) – two direct observations for actual reflection.

    1. What spatial characteristics (spatial characteristics of what?) more relevant to the occurrence of this issue Artem, which we are discussing (The question here is undoubtedly a thought, a manifestation of consciousness. My list, of course, is a conditional assumption, but this is “fantasy focused on reality” by M. Weber):
    • the very neurophysiological (i.e. from the point of view of neurophysiology) localization of certain types of electrochemical processes in specific areas of the brain of the author of the question;
    • inspired by his spatially similar metaphors of human brain activity, drawn from external sources (from the image illustrating the question, to the right-left hemisphere dichotomy and Penfield's Homunculus, etc.);
    • the place, position, and circumstances that accompanied the author who pondered the question (over a book that takes the imagination to the depths of the “cosmos” of the human brain; over tea, contemplating how a piece of sugar raises fine splashes above the surface of the drink; while raising a younger relative, wondering how such simple thoughts do not enter his head that you need to wash your hands before eating..)
      I dare to suggest that the first assumption that actually coincides with the intended answer is the least productive due to its triviality and non-specificity for this question: in explaining consciousness, it actually explains not consciousness, but a certain construct of consciousness, sacrificing its real phenomenon.
    1. If Artyom's question as a conscious person is asked as a conscious question in the assumption and expectation of an adequate, i.e. conscious answer from other conscious people, then who does this adequate (not necessarily unambiguously and positively consistent with the question) answer belong to, in whose consciousness is it located?:
    • in the mind of the questioner, who recognizes his own expectations in someone else's answer (not necessarily in the agreement option) – after all, without the questioner, a discussion would not have started, and the received answers would not have been qualified;
    • in the mind of the respondent who responded to someone else's question as their own actual problem, whether in the past (“I've already figured it out myself, I'll help the beginner”) or present (“I'm thinking about it myself, let's figure it out together”) – after all, without the addressee (imaginary or real), the question is impossible, without his answers (even non-accepted ones), the questioner will not;
    • in the mind(s) that do not coincide with the named subjects of the dialogue, but provide its interpretation and some degree of qualification: authors read by both parties, and other subjects that contribute to the conversation – after all, without them there would be neither the subject of discussion (the topic of consciousness was not born in this topic), nor any general intellectual tools of conversation;
    • in the consciousness that does not belong to any of the real or potential subjects of the dialogue (not localized in them), but is a condition of all these loci and their local or global interaction.
      Based on the last point, consciousness is not located in anyone's brain, therefore it does not have fixed spatial coordinates of the physicalist type. Similarly, neuropsychological mechanisms can be described that relate to consciousness, are its material substrate, but do not completely coincide with it, and even more so do not exhaust the essence of consciousness.

    Something like that 😉

  8. If consciousness was literally in the brain, then that (click), figuratively speaking, having fallen from the top of the mountain, along the way gaining mass (figurative, verbal), finished in some thought, an emotion from it, all this in an instant.

    For the same reason that consciousness is located in the head, there is a possibility that you can determine the point of origin of thoughts and find a way to stimulate it, give birth to an infinite number of thoughts of unknown quality. In my opinion, this is absurd.

    In my opinion, consciousness is not part of the brain mechanism, just as the driver is not part of the car. A person catches a certain information flow, which is interpreted by him in semantic expression, by means of the brain's work it takes the form of an easy-to-speak thought, as a result of which the biochemistry of the body occurs. Sensitivity to this or that quality of information, the information block, in a person occurs as a result of the habit of thinking accurately, narrowly focused in the field of information known to a person that interests him.

    In this case, the coordinate of thought is the person himself, generalizing his feelings (as a vivid example: “something hurts the heart”, etc.) comparing with his experience and(or) the environment and(or) expectations, interprets for himself with a certain degree of probability, depending on the degree of trust in such feelings and the experience of interpretations.

  9. Consciousness is the most subtle tool, the work of which can change even a single element of being. For example, it has been experimentally proven that a person is able to see single photons. To create a difference between the understanding of “I feel nothing” and “I feel something”, the influence of a single particle of the world is enough. That is, the work of consciousness can only be accurately described at the level of fundamental elements.

    These elements simultaneously have several unrelated measurable characteristics that determine their existence. The coordinate is one of these characteristics. But if we photograph all the coordinates, all the elements of consciousness, we will not get a complete description of consciousness, because consciousness is not stationary. Consciousness is a process. The elements of consciousness move and interact with each other at certain speeds, impulses. So we will not be able to simultaneously 100% accurately determine two unrelated characteristics of an element. We can only calculate the approximate probability with which, for example, the coordinate and speed of an element will simultaneously take some values. The more precisely we know the coordinate, the less accurately we will know the velocity, and vice versa.

    The elements of consciousness are interdependent with the external world. Imagine that your consciousness is a Christmas tree with a garland. The lights on the garland can glow and go out. Switching on light bulbs can be affected by temperature, the presence of certain gases, the presence or absence of sounds, illumination, interaction with liquid and solid chemical elements. In addition, switching on the light bulbs also affects their previous state. For example, if they were lit up at the previous moment, then they are turned off at the next moment. How do we predict which light bulbs will light up next? We will have to fully examine the room where the tree stands to determine what will affect the garland. It's the same with consciousness. To understand how it will change in the next moment, we need to capture the state of the entire world around us. For example, if the consciousness looks out of the window at the stars at night and thinks: “wow, how beautiful!”, its state is determined by the light emitted by distant galaxies, in which these stars may no longer exist, they have long since decayed, and only this light that flew to consciousness for millions of years remains.

    Therefore, research of thoughts and emotions on the material level is based on probability. An experienced doctor will never say: “this medicine will definitely help you.” He will say: “this medicine often helps, you can try it.” In other words, scientists try to find the most likely scenarios in their studies of the body and consciousness. But it is impossible to take into account all the factors in the world that affect consciousness at the same time, as long as the researcher himself is a small part of this world.

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