If there is no God, then everything is allowed?
13 Answers
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I, of course, appreciate your trolling-request on TQ an answer to a question that has been solved by thousands of people for centuries on tens of thousands of pages.�
I myself read with joy and emotion the meaningful attempts of TQ respondents to answer it.
In this regard, I remembered an accordion anecdote told to me by my university professor at the Department of Philosophy:
“How many philosophers do you know in history?
- Well… Two or three hundred…
-Well, and the most famous, advanced ones, whose names are well-known to everyone?
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About two dozen.
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Here. And we produce one hundred dolbo's every year…bovs who have “philosopher” written in their diploma.
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If there is no God(metaphysical materialism), the concepts of “allowed” and” not allowed ” are completely devoid of true meaning. People's actions cease to be the result of free choice, but become an inevitable outcome – a person acts exclusively within the framework of his biology, upbringing, random environmental influences, or quantum randomness. There is no one to allow or not to allow, because there are no free creatures, but there are bioautomats. They can only be programmed. And programming is not about “allowing”.
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Let's go from the other side.
If there is a God, then everything is allowed. More precisely, whatever God allows us to do, we can do. Robberies, murders, all kinds of hell-God allows all this to man (after all, He created man free), so we find ourselves in an existential situation from all sides – if there is no God, then everything is allowed, and if there is a God, then everything is allowed again. Another thing is that the latter option usually implies responsibility for permissiveness of a special kind, eternal responsibility, while the first option, presumably, indicates the absence of such eternal responsibility.
However, we can also believe in such gods who do not punish a person with posthumous eternal retribution or, on the contrary, rejoice in evil. So, yes, whether there is a God or not, in any case, we are allowed what is allowed (or rather, what concerns free will), and what is not allowed (such as the freedom to be or not to be, to be born, to die, to add at least a cubit to our height), is not allowed.
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There is a GOD, but he rules only two realms : immaculate conception and death. And the process of life is controlled by the Devil and allows everything. And a person must think for himself and learn to understand what “everything” is possible and what is not.
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Not so. “There is no God, because I am God” – that is more accurate. Everyone who says that there is no God considers himself one. And since that's the case, anything is allowed. Restrains conscience, moral principles, and enforced restrictions with the threat of punishment.
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No, this is a stupid and naive thesis of Dostoevsky. For atheists, for example, there is no God, but this does not mean that everything is allowed to them, it only means that they do not commit crimes, not because they are afraid of God's punishment, but because :
- Brought up by parents and society in a moral way
- This is reasonable and profitable in a social environment
- People have an innate ability – empathy, which is manifested, among other things, by feelings such as love and compassion.
Many European countries, in particular the Scandinavian countries, are mostly atheistic, and the crime rate there is much lower than in Orthodox Russia, where 85% of prisoners believe in one or another God, and 75% specifically in God-Jesus.
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This is an incorrect judgment! Everything is allowed if there is no conscience. And every mentally healthy person has a conscience, as long as he is not crippled by bad upbringing and bestial living conditions. God has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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In short, yes.
I'll explain why this is so below.
If we assume that there is an immense and perfect Supreme Intelligence and objective truth, good and evil, and that everyone is responsible for their earthly deeds and thoughts before the Creator, then a person will have some sense of personal responsibility to the Supreme Person, the limits of what is allowed, the concept of righteous and impure actions.
If we assume that the whole world, including humanity, is a product of aimless, chaotic accidents, then the very concept of what is permitted loses its meaning, as does the concept of objective higher values and morals.
It turns out that if you are sure that you will not have to face any negative consequences for you (for example, with an arrest, “blackening” of your reputation, loss of property, etc., etc.) and your action will not be found out by those who, from your point of view, should not know about it, because this is fraught with problems for you, then you can create absolutely anything that comes to your mind-absolutely any anarchy, because you are sure and be responsible for what you did.
Christians, on the other hand, believe in posthumous retribution for each person's actions, in holding the Creator accountable for each of their actions, idly spoken words, and even thoughts.
By the way, this is why many people do not like Christianity so much, because, firstly, it implies the concept of sinful and righteous, bad and holy, good and evil, and secondly, personal responsibility before God.
With respect and all the best.�
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It depends on who and what is allowed. It may not be allowed by law, but it is allowed by practice. Conscience can be allowed and not allowed. It all depends on moral boundaries. By someone else's will?
Religion has nothing to do with it. Everything happens according to the conscience or conscience of a person.
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God explained the meaning of everything he created and planned, but most people are not interested in it. He knows exactly what we need for a normal life, but many people do not agree with his rules and regulations because they like to do evil. Many strive for permissiveness and impunity, and most of the world's population lives as if there is no God. In that case, what kind of future do they expect? “Are we going to eat and drink because we're going to die tomorrow?”
If there is no God, then people are orphans and are not needed by anyone in the universe. Fortunately, this is not the case, and in the future, evil will be done away with forever.
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yes, of course it is. If we assume that there is no God and life is a random chain of events, then in principle a person becomes a lawgiver of his own Being, and it usually revolves around himself. If there is no God, then in some sense you become God. Of course, society has created laws regulating its life – after all, God is not only you, God is also your neighbor, and the war of the gods is worth a lot. Therefore, you can afford everything, but a sober calculation says that others can put you in a cage, so you have to choose methods to achieve your own benefits.
Somewhere I read this expression – when “God died” in the 19th century, man died in the 20th. Indeed, in the 19th century, theories appeared and developed that removed God from the consciousness of humanity – this was what bore fruit in the 20th century-two world wars, the extermination of peoples through the godless ideologies of Nazism, Bolshevism, communism especially Central Asian (Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Chiang Kai-shek destroyed their peoples simply with a frenzied appetite)
Charles Darwin did not yet realize that he would soon divide history into two eras. Before him, faith in the Creator God was something natural, almost a matter of course for almost every inhabitant of the Western world. After him, faith in Such a God became impossible for many, even inappropriate.
Freud, who fought with any morality and taught that all the neuroses of a person depend on the cultural framework thrown at him by society-a person wants to sleep with everyone, but you can't..And this makes a person feel bad.�
Nietzsche with godless ideas-he has a book called God is dead. And Denis Diderot � with his saying, ” Man will never be free until he has cast God out of his mind.” Etc.
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A certain person from the past centuries once formulated a primitive mental trap for himself, and this formula is still being taught to us as wisdom, or a philosophical question. Such a question (and a well-known answer to it) can be formulated by a person with an atrophied conscience, or rather, with a broken ability to maintain, correct, and defend their beliefs, values, and personal experience. With a damaged sense of self-esteem. The state, the Church, the entire System, and the non-alternative surrounding world have already decided for him what concepts he should have about right and wrong, what is allowed and what is not. Why would he have anything of his own at all? Moreover, this case was dangerous for life and other well-being. Such were all our glorious ancestors for thousands of years. And if you suddenly (with an incomprehensible something all of a sudden) start to fantasize that you don't have this crutch (God's holy commandments and punishments to sinners)… then nothing but horror, before the inner eye, and does not arise. It's dark inside, empty out there. Where most people now have some light shining on them. This is the same as letting a slave who has lived in a cage all his life go free and show him the world.
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First,as Pastor Donatas Banionis from the film “Beware of the Car” rightly pointed out : “Some people believe that God exists, others believe that He does not. Both are unprovable! “. Secondly, a similar question tormented �on the pages of the novel F. M.Dostoevsky's” Crime and Punishment “by Rodion Roskolnikov, when he asked himself:” Am I a trembling creature or do I have the right?” Yes �and not only Dissenters �asked � similar question , but �it �,so to speak, the followers ,but they came nonetheless, penal servitude,prison or �mad house. Many �people � which � �and believed in God �this did not prevent �brings � casualties �God �is a link of religion , and religion �created � as �a set of � laws �of human society.Get God �of religion and �will remain � �or a meaningless ritual or � after reforming �some secular laws in the Constitution that �and allow � to keep a person in reasonable , but not always and not everywhere.For example, in Germany in the 30s of the twentieth century, “secular laws” led to very deplorable results.
I, of course, appreciate your trolling-request on TQ an answer to a question that has been solved by thousands of people for centuries on tens of thousands of pages.�
I myself read with joy and emotion the meaningful attempts of TQ respondents to answer it.
In this regard, I remembered an accordion anecdote told to me by my university professor at the Department of Philosophy:
“How many philosophers do you know in history?
-Well, and the most famous, advanced ones, whose names are well-known to everyone?
About two dozen.
Here. And we produce one hundred dolbo's every year…bovs who have “philosopher” written in their diploma.
If there is no God(metaphysical materialism), the concepts of “allowed” and” not allowed ” are completely devoid of true meaning. People's actions cease to be the result of free choice, but become an inevitable outcome – a person acts exclusively within the framework of his biology, upbringing, random environmental influences, or quantum randomness. There is no one to allow or not to allow, because there are no free creatures, but there are bioautomats. They can only be programmed. And programming is not about “allowing”.
Let's go from the other side.
If there is a God, then everything is allowed. More precisely, whatever God allows us to do, we can do. Robberies, murders, all kinds of hell-God allows all this to man (after all, He created man free), so we find ourselves in an existential situation from all sides – if there is no God, then everything is allowed, and if there is a God, then everything is allowed again. Another thing is that the latter option usually implies responsibility for permissiveness of a special kind, eternal responsibility, while the first option, presumably, indicates the absence of such eternal responsibility.
However, we can also believe in such gods who do not punish a person with posthumous eternal retribution or, on the contrary, rejoice in evil. So, yes, whether there is a God or not, in any case, we are allowed what is allowed (or rather, what concerns free will), and what is not allowed (such as the freedom to be or not to be, to be born, to die, to add at least a cubit to our height), is not allowed.
There is a GOD, but he rules only two realms : immaculate conception and death. And the process of life is controlled by the Devil and allows everything. And a person must think for himself and learn to understand what “everything” is possible and what is not.
Not so. “There is no God, because I am God” – that is more accurate. Everyone who says that there is no God considers himself one. And since that's the case, anything is allowed. Restrains conscience, moral principles, and enforced restrictions with the threat of punishment.
No, this is a stupid and naive thesis of Dostoevsky. For atheists, for example, there is no God, but this does not mean that everything is allowed to them, it only means that they do not commit crimes, not because they are afraid of God's punishment, but because :
Many European countries, in particular the Scandinavian countries, are mostly atheistic, and the crime rate there is much lower than in Orthodox Russia, where 85% of prisoners believe in one or another God, and 75% specifically in God-Jesus.
This is an incorrect judgment! Everything is allowed if there is no conscience. And every mentally healthy person has a conscience, as long as he is not crippled by bad upbringing and bestial living conditions. God has absolutely nothing to do with it.
In short, yes.
I'll explain why this is so below.
If we assume that there is an immense and perfect Supreme Intelligence and objective truth, good and evil, and that everyone is responsible for their earthly deeds and thoughts before the Creator, then a person will have some sense of personal responsibility to the Supreme Person, the limits of what is allowed, the concept of righteous and impure actions.
If we assume that the whole world, including humanity, is a product of aimless, chaotic accidents, then the very concept of what is permitted loses its meaning, as does the concept of objective higher values and morals.
It turns out that if you are sure that you will not have to face any negative consequences for you (for example, with an arrest, “blackening” of your reputation, loss of property, etc., etc.) and your action will not be found out by those who, from your point of view, should not know about it, because this is fraught with problems for you, then you can create absolutely anything that comes to your mind-absolutely any anarchy, because you are sure and be responsible for what you did.
Christians, on the other hand, believe in posthumous retribution for each person's actions, in holding the Creator accountable for each of their actions, idly spoken words, and even thoughts.
By the way, this is why many people do not like Christianity so much, because, firstly, it implies the concept of sinful and righteous, bad and holy, good and evil, and secondly, personal responsibility before God.
With respect and all the best.�
It depends on who and what is allowed. It may not be allowed by law, but it is allowed by practice. Conscience can be allowed and not allowed. It all depends on moral boundaries. By someone else's will?
Religion has nothing to do with it. Everything happens according to the conscience or conscience of a person.
God explained the meaning of everything he created and planned, but most people are not interested in it. He knows exactly what we need for a normal life, but many people do not agree with his rules and regulations because they like to do evil. Many strive for permissiveness and impunity, and most of the world's population lives as if there is no God. In that case, what kind of future do they expect? “Are we going to eat and drink because we're going to die tomorrow?”
If there is no God, then people are orphans and are not needed by anyone in the universe. Fortunately, this is not the case, and in the future, evil will be done away with forever.
yes, of course it is. If we assume that there is no God and life is a random chain of events, then in principle a person becomes a lawgiver of his own Being, and it usually revolves around himself. If there is no God, then in some sense you become God. Of course, society has created laws regulating its life – after all, God is not only you, God is also your neighbor, and the war of the gods is worth a lot. Therefore, you can afford everything, but a sober calculation says that others can put you in a cage, so you have to choose methods to achieve your own benefits.
Somewhere I read this expression – when “God died” in the 19th century, man died in the 20th. Indeed, in the 19th century, theories appeared and developed that removed God from the consciousness of humanity – this was what bore fruit in the 20th century-two world wars, the extermination of peoples through the godless ideologies of Nazism, Bolshevism, communism especially Central Asian (Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Chiang Kai-shek destroyed their peoples simply with a frenzied appetite)
Charles Darwin did not yet realize that he would soon divide history into two eras. Before him, faith in the Creator God was something natural, almost a matter of course for almost every inhabitant of the Western world. After him, faith in Such a God became impossible for many, even inappropriate.
Freud, who fought with any morality and taught that all the neuroses of a person depend on the cultural framework thrown at him by society-a person wants to sleep with everyone, but you can't..And this makes a person feel bad.�
Nietzsche with godless ideas-he has a book called God is dead. And Denis Diderot � with his saying, ” Man will never be free until he has cast God out of his mind.” Etc.
A certain person from the past centuries once formulated a primitive mental trap for himself, and this formula is still being taught to us as wisdom, or a philosophical question. Such a question (and a well-known answer to it) can be formulated by a person with an atrophied conscience, or rather, with a broken ability to maintain, correct, and defend their beliefs, values, and personal experience. With a damaged sense of self-esteem. The state, the Church, the entire System, and the non-alternative surrounding world have already decided for him what concepts he should have about right and wrong, what is allowed and what is not. Why would he have anything of his own at all? Moreover, this case was dangerous for life and other well-being. Such were all our glorious ancestors for thousands of years. And if you suddenly (with an incomprehensible something all of a sudden) start to fantasize that you don't have this crutch (God's holy commandments and punishments to sinners)… then nothing but horror, before the inner eye, and does not arise. It's dark inside, empty out there. Where most people now have some light shining on them. This is the same as letting a slave who has lived in a cage all his life go free and show him the world.
First,as Pastor Donatas Banionis from the film “Beware of the Car” rightly pointed out : “Some people believe that God exists, others believe that He does not. Both are unprovable! “. Secondly, a similar question tormented �on the pages of the novel F. M.Dostoevsky's” Crime and Punishment “by Rodion Roskolnikov, when he asked himself:” Am I a trembling creature or do I have the right?” Yes �and not only Dissenters �asked � similar question , but �it �,so to speak, the followers ,but they came nonetheless, penal servitude,prison or �mad house. Many �people � which � �and believed in God �this did not prevent �brings � casualties �God �is a link of religion , and religion �created � as �a set of � laws �of human society.Get God �of religion and �will remain � �or a meaningless ritual or � after reforming �some secular laws in the Constitution that �and allow � to keep a person in reasonable , but not always and not everywhere.For example, in Germany in the 30s of the twentieth century, “secular laws” led to very deplorable results.