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  1. You are incorrectly translating the human way of thinking into God. Man is a creature that lives in time. This means that for a person there is an “earlier”, “later” or “immediately”. For God, these concepts do not make sense, since God is in eternity. And eternity is like all the time that exists at once, like the frames of a movie on a film film-from the first to the last. And so God really knows his fate in advance – he can always look at the end of the film (in fact, he just sees the whole film at once). But such a view is not available to a person – he is forced to live in time, in which he lives his life from birth to death. Conclusion: in a sense, we are already really all “scattered” in Heaven/Hell/Purgatory-but this is only for God.

  2. In traditional Christianity, at least (in Islam and in various branches of Protestantism, starting with Lutheranism and, especially, Calvinism, more complicated), the fate of a person is known to God, but not predetermined. All the steps leading in one direction or another, a person makes himself. God, who generally does not want to send anyone to hell, creates maximum conditions for a person to send him to heaven or then “pull up” some weighty excuses. But if a person's free will is directed to sin, He is already powerless – he cannot lift this stone.

    In any case, in hell and heaven, a person stomps on HIS personal actions and thoughts. If you don't spread it out in advance, then people don't need to live at all. And to live well. That's why God created us – he wanted us to be happy.

  3. In Islam, yes. But in Christianity, everything is much more complicated.

    Christianity, by and large, does not carry the fatalistic or deterministic views inherent in, for example, Hinduism or some Enlightenment philosophers, in the first place, To Laplace. It is more typical of providentialism – the idea that historical events together lead to the salvation of mankind from sin, which is the basis of Christian eschatology-the doctrine of the End of the world, to put it bluntly. The events between Creation, as described at the very beginning of the Old Testament, and the end of the universe as we know it, depend more on people themselves, who have free will. At the same time, some events are caused by Providence, since they are milestones on the way to the End of the world.

    This idea seems contradictory and complex, so I will draw parallels with Hinduism.

    In Hinduism, there is an idea of cyclical time: first Krita-Yuga, then Treta-Yuga, then Dvapara-Yuga, now here comes Kali-Yuga, this whole cycle is called Mahayuga. In the process of Mahayuga, all sorts of processes occur with both gods and people: first, the life span of people and the level of their goodness (?) decrease, secondly, all sorts of avatars come, the gods are reborn into all sorts of strange entities, and so on-it is impossible to analyze Indian eschatology without a ritual Shaivite cigarette. That is, in Crete-Yuga, everyone lives for 100 thousand years, meditates for thousands of years, fasts and [s]listens to radio Radonezh [/s] do not work, do not have any authorities or soldiers, in short, solid anarcho-communism. In Treta-Yuga, people are no longer the same, people move away from asceticism and become interested in worldly joys, but still live very long (10 thousand years), make sacrifices and generally do well. In Dvapara Yuga, people have been living for only 1,000 years, fighting wars, writing Vedas, and praying in temples. Then Krsna “leaves” and humanity goes to the end, until pralaya comes – a kind of reset of the world – and everything starts all over again.

    In Christianity, this is not the case, the story is linear: first the Divine Creation, then Adam and Eve tasted the same fruit, then the Flood, then all sorts of other processes that show people that they need to get their heads together, then Jesus came and the world in the view of Christians seemed to be at the finish line. In the intervals between these milestones, people are free to do as they see fit, their actions are not determined by the burden of karma, the era, or anything else, and the salvation of a person, in fact, is a matter of his personal choice-to remain in sin or take advantage of the opportunity provided by God through Scripture, the Church and others like them.

  4. Rather, A SKETCH of fate…)Because nothing is decided in advance…yes, and the decision itself, the most fun, is left to the mercy of a person, otherwise it would not be interesting and it would not be worth creating a world similar to a game played many times, where everything has long been known and boring right up to the gnashing of teeth.But after all, a person is not a doll or a character from an electronic performance…he is a child of the Demiurge,His creation, created in His Image and Likeness, and also has FREE WILL.And a person is free to choose his own fate


    And the Creator perfectly sees all these possible changes and all the combinations of all destinies ,all their ramifications ..and it is not going to choose which of them a person will decide to move along… This is done by the latter,because this is exactly what the Creator wants and expects from him.

    But whether the Creator himself is going to know in advance exactly WHICH path his creation will break into its future, He prefers to talk about this.

    don't let us know…

    He is more likely to let go of any leash, wanting His children to gain not only free will,but also independence and an understanding of THEIR responsibility for everything that happens in their lives…

    The creator may well prefer(or rather prefer), based on these considerations, NOT TO LOOK into Their knowledge and not know what all this will turn out to be…so as not to show weakness and not to put your child ,because of the affection of the heart, straws on a dangerous turn or at the start point ,to protect you from life's trials,which,if not kill,then harden and make you stronger…The Creator does not directly warn a person against making wrong decisions and does not make sure that the latter does not disfigure his wings by trying to fly where he does not need or should not climb at all…

    Because to fill cones, lose feathers and break wings, and then independently merge them and repeat attempts again, a person must


    Therefore, the Creator, having the absolute right to know everything that threatens this or that choice of life path, can choose the fate of his creation … but…DOES NOT DO THIS for the reasons given above.

  5. Paradise must be earned, a person who did not go to heaven deservedly, who did not experience sorrows for Christ's sake, will not be worthy of paradise and will start sinning there, It's obvious

  6. According to the Holy Scriptures, if God knows the fate of every human being, then why does he offer to choose?

    “I call heaven and earth to witness before you today: I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life, that you and your descendants may live” (Deut 30: 19)

  7. for example, the screenwriter knows in advance what will happen, so why make a movie? or another analogy: the programmer knows in advance the result of the program's activity and even all its bugs and possible errors, but he still creates a functioning program.

    The bottom line is that we don't know what God is up to. after all both His will and intention are hidden from us

  8. Fate must be lived, otherwise there would be no fate.

    We don't know anything for sure. We only know what is left to us in the texts and prophecies. And they convincingly ask not to abandon their wives / husbands, not to leave their children orphaned with their living parents, not to commit fornication, not to kill, not to steal, to honor the older generation, to love your neighbor and God the Father. After analyzing the essence of the message, you can understand that all this is directed for our own good here on Earth. A society that does not adhere to these laws will be weak. There will be many times more grief, which will lead to even more grief, even to self-destruction. And the main thing left is that the Law of God will be fulfilled in any case. Ignorance of the Law does not remove responsibility. Those who love, know, and honor the true God are the salt of the Earth, and salt is meant to prevent decay. The less salt, the greater the rot.

  9. The question is generally incorrect. Then logically it turns out that the author of the question would not want humanity to exist in principle. If you continue the line, then there will simply be no one to scatter: send Adam and Eve to hell right away-and that's it! Because to decide who to send where, the Lord must first look at how each individual person lived their life, because we are given the freedom to choose. And a person can change his fate, which is already known to God.

  10. Isn't it more convenient to throw everyone at once: to Heaven or to Hell?

    “Convenience” is not synonymous with correctness or fairness. And God is not only omniscient, but also just. Justice also implies retribution/retribution for bad or for good. Again, if you “scatter”, then there will be claims of injustice, and after the Trial, all claims will simply disappear.

  11. Well, first of all, God doesn't send anyone to hell for their sins. Sinners end up in hell not because they have offended God by their disobedience, but because of the unfitness of their own soul, which they have disfigured by violating the Law. But the crippled soul will not be able to bear the radiance of the Deity, it will scorch them and the communion of God itself will be in suffering. That is why sinners find themselves in hell (in a place of absolute absence of God) and this is a kind of mercy for them. God does not send people to hell “in advance” because in this case, people are a “blank slate” and therefore do not have a “polarity” that would attract them to God or vice versa. I would venture to suggest that on man, God ends not only omnipotence, but also omniscience. (I know about the first one reliably from dogmatics courses.) Of course, God, as the greatest psychologist, can predict our actions, but alas, He cannot know 100% what kind of trick we will throw out. In this case, you can give an analogy with a horse that has fallen into a panic and rushes straight into the abyss at full speed. The observer is most likely to say that the horse will fall. But there are also chances that the horse may “come to its senses”, slow down or abruptly turn off the fatal trajectory. Something like that…

  12. Heh.
    All people have predestination. It was kept in a tablet. Every step we take takes place in it. Predestination is like a path that splits in different directions, into other paths that are divided into other paths, etc.
    And we need to choose. Some paths lead to hell. And others to paradise

  13. Imagine a situation: two cars are driving towards you, and my friend and I are watching . I calculated ( by physical address) formulas) that they would crash in 10 seconds and they met. Can my friend say: you knew they were going to meet, you did it, I'll tell you to the police… NO, it can't be because I knew the result , I didn't influence it they didn't meet because of me, but I knew , but I didn't influence it . Also, Allah knows, but does not affect, he gave you the will and your will is free you decide how to act.

  14. Well, I'm an atheist myself, but I dare say the following…

    But what about the test of all the joys and bitterness of life? How to experience the joy of fatherhood or motherhood, or the bitterness of losing loved ones?

    After all, this is all that educates the human soul, it grows and “approaches” the Almighty in order to travel further, comprehend and be inspired and become God himself.

    And so, the question can be rephrased: if we still know that we will die, then why live at all? First you need to answer the question of what is the meaning of life….

  15. The fact that “stomps himself” I very much agree. In Islam, they say Heaven is free, Hell is very expensive. At the expense of predestination, I can say that HE only knows our actions and does not want to.

    If He “scattered” us, those who are in hell would shout with all their voice that He is wrong! Even the discontented on the lower steps of Paradise would not have been silent either. Test in children-say “I know ahead of time what you're going to do… that's why I'm punishing you” – see the effect. What can we say about people, especially since the punishment is HELL!?

  16. This is yet another proof that God and religion were invented by humans. And, like any theory created by man, it is imperfect, has contradictions and incomplete postulates.

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